Re: [orca-list] Can Orca help with access to this crappy HTML?

[Nolan Darilek <nolan thewordnerd info>]

Still definitely fixed, but this improved something that I'd meant to 
report as a bug but kept forgetting about.


If you visit Hacker News at https://news.ycombinator.com, then arrow 
down through the table of links, there are links in the table that only 
speak when tabbed to--Upvote, for instance. Historically these didn't 
speak when arrowed past line-by-line, but now the text at least speaks. 
I wonder if the fact that it is a link might be spoken as well. Any 
other control, for that matter, but here's a sample where it happens 
with links. :)


Thanks again.


On 5/15/19 4:48 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote:
> Thanks, seems to work about as perfectly as I can expect! :) I 
> appreciate the fix.
>
>
> On 5/15/19 1:01 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> > Hey Nolan.
> >
> > I brushed off my turd polisher just for you. <grins>
> >
> > Using Orca master, you should now be able to do the following on the 
> > page in question:
> >
> > 1. See all the clickable items in the list of clickables dialog
> > 2. Activate a given clickable via that dialog (be sure to press
> >    the Activate button rather than just move there)
> > 3. Navigate amongst all of the clickables via A / Shift+A
> > 4. Use Orca's click command to activate the current clickable (reminder,
> >    that's Caps Lock + 7 or KP Slash depending on your layout)
> > 5. Hear all the clickables when arrowing within the table using caret
> >    navigation commands
> > 6. Hear all the clickables when using cell navigation
> >
> > Some notes on the page-specific interaction:
> >
> > In the page in question, the first row ("admin") has a clickable in 
> > each cell with a checkbox displayed. When you click on these with the 
> > mouse, nothing happens. However there is an accessible click action 
> > for those items. I have no way of knowing via what's exposed to me 
> > that clicking on them won't actually do anything.
> >
> > In contrast, clicking on any of the cells in the second row does do 
> > something. Initially it puts focus on the "enter new role" entry if 
> > there is not yet any text there.
> >
> > Once there's text in the "enter new role" entry, clicking on the 
> > cells in the second row cause new stuff to appear beneath the table, 
> > but no widget in that new stuff claims focus. Only the "enter new 
> > role" entry loses focus. Yay. You just have to know the stuff is 
> > there and then arrow or Tab to it.
> >
> > Anyhoo, with any luck this particular turd is sufficiently shined up 
> > to at least be moderately usable now.
> >
> > Please let me know what you find. Thanks!
> > --joanie
> >
> > On 5/15/19 12:52 AM, Nolan Darilek wrote:
> > > Sorry, minor correction. The crappy HTML in question can be found here:
> > >
> > >
> > > https://hasuraaccessibility.herokuapp.com/console/data/schema/public/tables/test/permissions 
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks again.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 5/14/19 5:49 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote:
> > > > Stuck using this tech in a current job so I hope so.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If you visit 
> > > > https://hasuraaccessibility.herokuapp.com/console/data/schema/public/tables/test/modify 
> > > > you'll go directly to the screen in question. It has a table with 
> > > > some elements I need to click. The elements and their content are 
> > > > inaccessible, but NVDA at least presents them as "column 3: 
> > > > clickable, column 4: clickable, ..." and I can arrow to and 
> > > > theoretically interact with them.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Does Orca get enough from Firefox to at least make the fact that 
> > > > empty clickables are located in those particular cells?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > And is there any way to accessibly interact with these? I've tried 
> > > > Enter and simulated left-clicks in NVDA, but either nothing happens 
> > > > or something does and I can't see it. I know Orca can't necessarily 
> > > > polish a turd, but maybe it can at least soften it. :P
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
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