Re: [orca-list] Vim, is it usable for us?



Howdy,

Vim is being used to compose this message. It is, in my opinion, the best text editor on the planet. Be 
warned though, if you do get into using it and have to use a graphical text editor for some reason, you'll 
most likely get a file with a lit of A :w, etc in it lol.

I use it with Fenrir, most often in the console. It has spellcheck, and all sorts of nifty features including 
backups, macros, etc.

You may need to disable the ruler by typing the following:

:set noruler

If you need to know line and column information, press control+g to have it briefly shown on the bottom line.

you can make the noruler setting permanent by adding it to your ~/.vimrc.

Thanks,
Storm

On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 04:56:33PM -0400, Orca-list wrote:
Yes, Vim works well with a screen reader. You'll probably achieve better results with Fenrir or Speakup than with Orca in Gnome-Terminal, though. It also works well with a braille display, which is what I generally use.
It's easy to apply the editor commands once you've read the text to 
decide what changes you want to make. I tend to use Emacs for serious 
writing projects, but that just reflects my preference rather than any 
limitation of Vim.
On 8/30/20 4:41 PM, Rastislav Kish via orca-list wrote:
Hi folks,

during my Linux adventures, I couldn't have missed possibly one of the most legendary Linux tools, Vim.
Vim's philosophy of writing and editing text with a language was 
completely new for me, so I have quite enjoyed learning about it.

However, after reading some introductory texts and few experiments, I have two questions:
* how usable is Vim with Orca? I have noticed various rather strange 
behaviors like reading currently missed word when navigating 
character by character or reading a line in somewhat shuffled order 
when I approach it from the next line. H, J, K and L keys doesn't 
seem to work at all, I have to use arrow keys, I don't know, whether 
this is function of Vim or Orca.
* Is Vim potentially useful for blind people? I can imagine, that 
when a sighted person sees the whole layout of a page, he / she has 
an imagination in his / her head what he / she wants to select, 
delete or replace, and thus a way to express it wia a special 
language can be very handy. However, blind people don't have this 
ability, we rather know our current position and drag the selection 
from it, until we find the ending point, as our view is limited to 
max. one line at once.
So, the question is, is the ability to define operations with a 
language still that advantageous under these circumstances? On a 
graphical system, would you use Vim over a traditional editor like 
Pluma, or something similar with plugins, and if yes why?

Best regards


Rastislav


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