Re: Module proposal: Empathy for GNOME 2.22

[Travis Reitter <treitter-dev netdrain com>]

Jason,

Motivation for unpaid Free Software development isn't the same as for
commercial software. You can't just tell someone which project(s) they
get to work on. They will work on which project(s) they think are most
interesting and/or important or they'll choose to do something else with
their time.

Duplication of effort is frustrating, but that's just how this
development model works. And it's important to note that Pidgin, Ekiga,
and Empathy have different goals and implementations, so it's not like
they're all trying to do literally the same things. Thus any perceived
duplication of effort isn't as bad as it may seem.

-Travis

On Sun, 2007-09-23 at 16:00 -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
> -1
> 
> Needless duplication of work covered by Pidgin and Ekiga (and, so far,
> done better). This is a reimplementation of the wheel.
> 
> If the last two Gnome releases are any indication, we are strapped for
> resources - taking on new modules that add absolutely nothing
> features-wise but DO add additional maintenance work doesn't seem like
> a good idea ... for now ... 
> 
> Maybe in 2.24.
> 
> 
> On 9/23/07, Xavier Claessens <xclaesse gmail com> wrote:
>         Hi,
>         
>         * Proposal: Include Empathy in GNOME 2.22 desktop.
>         
>         * Purpose: Empathy [1] consists of a rich set of reusable
>         instant
>         messaging widgets, and a GNOME client using those widgets. It
>         uses
>         Telepathy and Nokia's Mission Control, and reuses Gossip's UI.
>         The main 
>         goal is to permit desktop integration by providing libempathy
>         and
>         libempathy-gtk libraries. libempathy-gtk is a set of powerful
>         widgets
>         that can be embeded into any GNOME application.
>         
>         * Dependencies:
>            glib-2.0 >= 2.14.0
>            gconf-2.0 >= 1.2.0
>            libxml-2.0
>            gnome-vfs-2.0
>            libtelepathy >= 0.0.57
>            libmissioncontrol >= 4.33
>            gtk+-2.0 >= 2.12.0
>            libglade-2.0 >= 2.0.0
>            libgnomeui-2.0 
>            libebook-1.2
>            libpanelapplet-2.0 >= 2.10.0
>         
>         * Resource usage: Already using GNOME FTP, GNOME SVN and GNOME
>         bugzilla.
>         
>         * Adoption: It is packaged at least for debian, ubuntu,
>         mandriva, gentoo
>         and fedora. It is used by Intel for the moblin [2] platform.
>         There is
>         patches for Totem and nautilus-send-to [3] to make use of
>         libempathy(-gtk). Someone was working on integration in
>         gtetrinet but I
>         don't know the status of that work. There is also an epiphany
>         plugin 
>         [4]. Work was being done for GSoC to integrate Empathy into
>         Jockosher
>         [5]. Empathy is also used by Soylent [6].
>         
>         * GNOME-ness: The community reports bugs in GNOME bugzilla and
>         attach
>         patches, I review and commit in GNOME's SVN. Some i18n teams
>         already 
>         started to commit translations. I take care of usability
>         thanks to loads
>         of usability bugs opened by Vincent Untz. User documentation
>         is not
>         started yet, I guess we can pick gossip's doc and adapt it for
>         Empathy 
>         since the UI is almost the same.
>         
>         * Miscellaneous:
>         - There is patches to support File Transfer, Voice and Video.
>         I think
>         it will be ready before GNOME 2.22 feature freeze.
>         - Empathy is still a young project with some bugs but I'm
>         pretty sure 
>         we can fix them in time for GNOME 2.22.
>         - At some point we'll have same features than Ekiga which is
>         already in
>         GNOME desktop. The big advantage of Empathy is it uses
>         Telepathy
>         framework which make easy for desktop integration and means
>         we'll have 
>         VoIP for all protocols (SIP, MSN, Jabber, etc). Empathy
>         supports all IM
>         features (private chat, chatroom, presence, avatar, alias,
>         etc), not
>         only Voice and Video. Ekiga don't have those advantages.
>         
>         Thanks, 
>         Xavier Claessens.
>         
>         [1] http://live.gnome.org/Empathy
>         [2] http://www.moblin.org/projects_chat.html
>         [3] http://www.barisione.org/blog.html/p=100
>         [4] http://blog.senko.net/2007/07/19/emphatic-epiphany
>         [5] http://blog.mikeasoft.com/2007/05/07/jokosher-soc
>         [6] http://live.gnome.org/Soylent
>         
>         
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