Re: Module proposal: Empathy for GNOME 2.22

[Martyn Russell <martyn imendio com>]

Xavier Bestel wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-09-27 at 10:03 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote:
>>>>> Right, libempathy and libemapthy-gtk are GPL because it contains
>>>>> code from Gossip. libempathy mostly contains trivial code from
>>>>> gossip, 
>>>>>
>>>>> the rest is rewritten by me or some collabora workers who
>>>>> are 100% OK to relicence, so it shouldn't be a problem to
>>>>> relicence libempathy to LGPL. libempathy-gtk is more a problem
>>>>> since lots of non-trivial code is written by Gossip developers
>>>>> who doesn't seems to agree to relicence to LGPL...
>>>> I'm getting slightly tired of you Xavier, again.
>>>>
>>>> What are you basing this on? I for one haven't been asked at all 
>>>> regarding this topic.
>>> I asked Martyn's opinion long ago, I know he is not the only person
>>> to decide but he wasn't for the relicencing.
>> Rob basically summed it up perfectly.
>>
>> I have to say, I agree with Mikael, this is just not true. Empathy looks
>> EXACTLY like Gossip for the most part, most of the widgets have taken
>> years to write. To say that the code you use is trivial is insulting.
> 
> Xavier Claessens wrote *exactely the opposite* when he said that
> "libempathy-gtk is more a problem since lots of non-trivial code is
> written by Gossip developers". So you are in fact in violent agreement.

You cut off the part that follows in that paragraph where I mention
libgossip. Widgets in Gossip heavily depend on libgossip for objects
like GossipContact or GossipPresence, these are fundamental types and
are used everywhere. Empathy would have to use these fundamental types
otherwise rewrite the widgets/libgossip layer pretty much completely -
which I doubt has been done given the resources on the project and time
since the fork.

>> I wouldn't re-license it mostly because of the way you have been with us
>> Xavier. There is a way of treating people and I think you would have got
>> more from us if you had remembered that.
> 
> Looks like there are decisions made because of anger.

I am not angry. I just feel less inclined to help.

There are no hard feelings here between Xavier and myself, in fact, we
are often in communication about bugs found to help benefit both projects.

-- 
Regards,
Martyn