Hello Matthias, Dave, Matthias Clasen [2011-05-13 8:33 -0400]: > > * Language Selector, which allows you to configure your language and > > fallbacks ($LANGUAGE/$LC_MESSAGES), locale ($LANG), list of > > installed languages (packages which provide translations, > > dictionaries, OO.o help, etc.), and input method.This can probably > > be integrated into the now existing GNOME 3 module. > > Language selection is in the region panel, and the plan is indeed to > have input method configuration integrated there as well. > Unfortunately, we lack a person with the necessary skills and > knowledge to really drive this, currently. Cooperation in this area > would be highly appreciated. I am not quite happy about some parts of the current Ubuntu language selector UI, so we want to make some changes anyway. It got quite a bit more complex over the years due to user demands in some regions of the world (like separate LC_MESSAGES and LANG setting), as well as integration of extra package installation (language specific word lists, hyphenation patterns, spell check dicts, etc.). If at least some of these features are desired to have in upstream c-c, I'd be happy to discuss the design with Dave and/or c-c maintainers (not in this thread though, please) and then work on an implementation, and then we can provide the rest of it (like packaging integration) as an Ubuntu patch. If we stop having a separate package for this, I'm of course interested in keeping the latter relatively small. > > * system-config-printer: We decided to continue to use that > > instead of the GNOME 3 c-c one. s-c-p is a lot more complete and > > proven. > > Hmm; this is an example of the pick-and-match mindset that pits > downstreams against upstreams. Can't we cooperate on making the > printer panel good enough for everybody ? I don't see a reason why it wouldn't be technically possible. However, it will take quite some time until all the missing features will be added to the new GNOME printer applet, and unlike the locale selector I won't have time to help with this particular item; I guess this would be a question for Tim Waugh and Till Kamppeter. My gut feeling is that it is certainly technically possible and desirable, but will take some time, and until then we'd rather not break printing for everyone (we can switch over when it's ready). Reinventing the wheel and breaking old behaviour is sometimes good. GNOME shell or Unity are such cases which deliberately break old workflows and behaviour for something better. That's not the same for configuring your hardware, though, which should just work and breaking it willfully is not something we are willing to do to our users. If you consider that as a pick-and-match mindset, then we are certainly "guilty" of that; it's what a distro (or generally anyone building a product) does. I do agree that this isn't an ideal situation in this case, but I frankly don't see another realistic option. Anyway, thanks everyone for their input, and enjoy the weekend! Martin -- Martin Pitt | http://www.piware.de Ubuntu Developer (www.ubuntu.com) | Debian Developer (www.debian.org)
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