Re: Proposal to make GnomeLove official and move it to developer.gnome.org

[Carlos Soriano Sanchez <csoriano redhat com>]

Hi Emmanuele,

So for "the scope and scale" you are right, but I'm trying to higher the scope and scale
of "building and contributing to GNOME" as well. Not to be in par with Gtk+, but enough to
deserve to be in the website.

You are logically right about "Legitimacy is provided by
being on the gnome.org domain, not whether the page is on a wiki" but in practice
I think is not enough. The wiki will continue to be a wiki, editable by anyone,
without any "review" process. And even if the tutorial I made recently is the linked one
in GnomeLove, people in IRC link to other tutorials and they all have the same legitimacy
since they are in the wiki. We are not transmitting and enforcing this. And a clear way to show
"the world" we are doing it, is having the full guide in a official place.

As for your worry about easiness of editing the page...
If we do it well enough, we shouldn't need lot of maintenance. See for example
the wiki page I created for this https://wiki.gnome.org/GnomeLove/BuildGnome
Nothing here should change in a foreseable future.
The only thing to maintain is a list of supported distros (distros that works out of the box).
I'm not convinced on listing all workarounds for distros that doesn't work well with jhbuild, it's 
even more problems for newcomers, and when I started I was very angry about trying to do it in ubuntu
and not being able to. I would payed for someone saying to me: we know a distro named Fedora/Opensuse
works out of the box. And the workarounds is a hell to maintain, and didn't work for us at all until now.

So far, I can't see anything else requiring too much contribution that a wiki will let people do it easier.

What do you think?

Cheers,
Carlos Soriano

----- Original Message -----
From: "Emmanuele Bassi" <ebassi gmail com>
To: "Carlos Soriano Sanchez" <csoriano redhat com>
Cc: gnome-doc-list gnome org, "desktop-devel-list" <desktop-devel-list gnome org>
Sent: Wednesday, 18 March, 2015 1:09:04 PM
Subject: Re: Proposal to make GnomeLove official and move it to developer.gnome.org

Hi;

On 17 March 2015 at 12:33, Carlos Soriano Sanchez <csoriano redhat com> wrote:

> So after some work in GnomeLove and discussions in the gnome-love list, I would like to make this proposal.
> Read more here https://wiki.gnome.org/CarlosSoriano/GnomeLoveMoveTask
>
> So I would want to have feedback on this idea over this week, since I will take a intern from OPW for it, 
> and the deadline
> is next Monday.
>
> What do you think? =)
> Hope you like the idea.

I'm a little bit worried that you're trading off the ability to easily
keep the page up to date with a more convoluted process that requires
learning Mallard, committing to a Git repository, and then updating
the page on d.g.o. You note this as well, but then you mention
"Getting started with GTK+" which does not really apply in the same
way as "building and contributing to GNOME" — the scope and scale of
the two efforts are clearly not similar.

Why is having a page on the wiki a problem? Legitimacy is provided by
being on the gnome.org domain, not whether the page is on a wiki.
Would having a prominent link on developer.gnome.org solve the issue
of the Google page ranking, while keeping the page easily editable?

Ciao,
 Emmanuele.

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