Re: About the mini-howto I'm writing

[Bill Haneman <bill haneman sun com>]

HI Nath:

Sorry if I was unclear;  I don't know if GARNOME can build GNOME 2.1
now, but I expect that it will soon, since GNOME-2 development is
shifting to "2.1" now that "2.0.2" has been released.

Building all of GNOME from CVS is a hard task.  Perhaps it would be a
better use of your time, for now, if you helped write up the *other*
things necessary to get accessibility working on GNOME, since it's
logical that other people will need and want to document "how to get
GNOME 2 working" generally.  But if you do want to try building GNOME
entirely from CVS, jhbuild is probably the best tool to help you.

I hope that the problems with needing to build more recent versions from
CVS will soon be reduced, except for the accessibility tools
themselves.  

best regards,

Bill

On Wed, 2002-09-18 at 17:22, Nath wrote:
> OK. 
> Then I'm not going to modify the text now regarding this problem. And as
> soon as a newer release of GARNOME will appear I will update the text and
> then remove the cvs gnome 2.0 branche solution. 
> Therefore I see in the GARNOME mailing-list archive taht the latest GARNOME
> release builds GNOME 2.0.2 and Bill you said that GARNOME builds GNOME 2.1
> : Is it the same ? Here I don't understand very well ! 
> Another thing : I'm OK to try to build GNOME 2 from cvs because I
> understand it will be the best to build gnopernicus after but I don't know
> if I will succeed. If I succeed one day, I will write a little text
> explaining how to do. But for the moment what do you advice to me in order
> to do that ? the hjbuild script is it a good starting point ?
> Thanks.
> 
> --
> Nath
> 
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> On 18/09/02 at 16:25 Bill Haneman wrote:
> 
> >Hi Nath:
> >
> >Checking out gnome-mag's gnome-2-0 branch from CVS works now, but it
> >will soon stop working since gnome-mag will soon undergo API changes on
> >HEAD, and gnopernicus will use the new API rather than the old API.
> >
> >At the moment there is no way that I know of to disable gnopernicus'
> >magnification and thus remove the gnome-mag dependency.
> >
> >I see two possible things that could help.
> >
> >(1) gnome-mag could make its dependency on gtk+ HEAD optional; this
> >would require some gnome-mag changes, and mean that gnome-mag could only
> >work in "split screen mode", and not "fullscreen mode", using gtk+-2.0. 
> >I am not sure how useful that would be other than for demonstration
> >purposes.
> >
> >(2) GARNOME builds for "gnome 2.1" which will eventually become GNOME
> >2.2 will probably start soon, in which case there will be a GARNOME
> >solution that includes the newer GTK+.
> >
> >I think that because gnopernicus is rapidly evolving, and will need some
> >API that was not ready in GNOME 2.0, sooner or later it will be
> >necessary to take certain parts of gnome-2.0 from cvs HEAD in order to
> >build it.  
> >
> >I haven't used GARNOME yet, so I don't know whether the GARNOME system
> >can be customized to allow this.  If it can't, then I think we either
> >have to wait for a newer GARNOME for "2.2", or use some other build
> >system.
> >
> >regards,
> >
> >Bill
> >
> >On Wed, 2002-09-18 at 16:17, Nath wrote:
> >> Hi Bill, Michael & others,
> >> 
> >> Then, what to indicate finally in my little text ? 
> >> Users are not going to build gtk+ 2.2 from cvs because the entire GNOME
> 2
> >> environment is been built with GARNOME. The solution I described (check
> >out
> >> gnome-mag from gnome 2.0 branche) worked well for me. But if you think
> >it's
> >> better to disable magnification in gnopernicus before building it what
> is
> >> to be done to do athat ? Which file to modify ?  And then gnopernicus
> >will
> >> compile without gnome-mag installed ?
> >> Thanks.
> >
> >
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> >> 
> >> On 18/09/02 at 13:12 Bill Haneman wrote:
> >> 
> >> >On Wed, 2002-09-18 at 13:41, Michael Meeks wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> 	We probably need to recommend not using magnifier support, and make
> >the
> >> >> gnome-mag support in gnopernicus optional. Building a multi-head gtk+
> >is
> >> >> just too difficult for most users.
> >> >
> >> >Hi Michael:
> >> >
> >> >Why do you say that?  I am not aware of any recent difficulties
> building
> >> >gtk+ HEAD.  There was a brief period when gtk+ HEAD would not build
> with
> >> >Xft-1, but that is the only non-trivial build problem with gtk+ that I
> >> >can recall having since the 2.0 release.  I can't have been _that_
> >> >lucky...
> >> >
> >> >Also, gtk+ HEAD will build fine with pango-1.0 and glib's gnome-2-0
> >> >branch AFAIK, so if there are problems with pango and/or glib HEAD they
> >> >need not impact us here.  I also expect that gtk+ 2.2 is fast
> >> >approaching release, which should further improve stability and ensure
> >> >that any remaining build issues are solved.
> >> >
> >> >-Bill
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
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