Re: gnome-accessibility-list Digest, Vol 90, Issue 11

[Piñeiro <apinheiro igalia com>]

On 10/26/2011 12:24 AM, Håkon Emil Olsen wrote:
> Hey!
>
> I've now tested Ubuntu with Gnome Shell version 3.2 which works Zoom Fuktion fine. This does not Work in Unity at all. and get this, you need to install the Compiz settings, and then activate it.  The problem of Unity and Zoom is that zoom does not follow the mouse cursor as in Gnome 2.6, therefore I have Installed Gnome Shell so I use this because I have low vision, if I'm going to use Unity must be in place first. 

In addition to the mail sent by Flavia de Paula, in relation with the
effort to improve the focus tracking on Compiz (thanks to F123 and
Alejandro Leiva collaboration), I think that it is worth to mention that
Joseph Scheuhammer plans to improve the focus tracking on GNOME Shell.
More details here:

https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2011-October/msg00142.html

BR

>
> Sincerely, Håkon Olsen
>
> Med Vennlig Hilsen
>
> Håkon Emil Olsen
>
>
> Sendt fra min iPhone
>
> Den 25. okt. 2011 kl. 22:02 skrev gnome-accessibility-list-request gnome org:
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>>   1. RE: Zoom function in Ubuntu 11.10, Improvements in screen
>>      magnification with Compiz Fusion/eZoom - Ready for testing
>>      (flavia de paula)
>>   2. Pictogram support (Montreal Summit) (Cesar Mauri)
>>   3. Re: Pictogram support (Montreal Summit) (Peter Korn)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 16:51:50 +0000
>> From: flavia de paula <flaviadepaula hotmail com>
>> To: <ricaradu gmail com>, <gnome-accessibility-list gnome org>
>> Subject: RE: Zoom function in Ubuntu 11.10, Improvements in screen
>>    magnification with Compiz Fusion/eZoom - Ready for testing
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>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Last year, the F123 Project, a partnership between F123 Consulting and
>> Mais Diferen?as, made a donation to the Gnome Foundation for
>> improvements on the Gnome GUI for low vision users. Specifically, the
>> F123 team asked for cursor and focus area tracking on eZoom, a Compiz
>> Fusion plugin available to the more than 14 million world-wide users of
>> the Gnome GUI.
>>
>> We have excellent news, Alejandro Leiva, the developer with whom we have
>> been working on this initiative, has just made available Alfa code for
>> developers interested in testing the new and improved eZoom. This is the
>> first step in the process of potential inclusion of these improvements
>> in the F123 System and every other distribution that uses Gnome with
>> Compiz Fusion.
>>
>> If you are a software developer and would like to test the new eZoom,
>> you can find Alejandro's GIT repository at this URL:
>> https://github.com/gloob/compiz-accessibility-plugin
>>
>> You can also find Alejandro's version of eZoom at this URL:
>> https://github.com/gloob/gloob-Ezoom-fork
>>
>> To give Alejandro feedback, please contact him at this e-mail address:
>> gloob litio org
>>
>> Thank you in advance for your feedback,
>>
>> The F123 Team
>> http://F123.org/en
>>
>> Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 22:55:58 +0300
>> Subject: Zoom function in Ubuntu 11.10
>> From: ricaradu gmail com
>> To: gnome-accessibility-list gnome org
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I just tried Ubuntu 11.10 Beta 64-bit in live CD mode, without proprietary graphics drivers (System Info doesn't even recognize my ATI card) and I enabled Zoom in System Settings. Then I went to Keyboard and set the shortcuts. I can turn zoom on and off using the keyboard shortcut (I can see it toggle on and off in Accessibility), but zooming doesn't seem to work. I logged in/out but no luck. I logged into Unity 2D, still no luck. I even tried changing the shortcuts to no avail. Is the function broken or am I doing something wrong?
>>
>>
>> On a more general note, how is the state of magnification in Gnome 3.2, and Ubuntu? Are there any big changes/improvements from 6 months ago? I tried Ubuntu 11.04 when it came out and was sort of disappointed. Unity was completely "unzoomable" and the magnifier no longer followed the text caret in LibreOffice. It used to work just fine in OpenOffice in the past.
>>
>>
>> Does Gnome still use gnome-mag + Orca or are there newer (and better) alternatives? I know KDE doesn't have a good magnifier and Compiz Enhanced Zoom (the best and most stable magnifier, IMHO) doesn't follow text insertion, which is a deal breaker for me because I use high magnification and need the magnifier to follow text insertion. Looks like I'm stuck with Windows again. 
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>>
>> Thanks for your replies,
>> Aurelian Radu
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>> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 21:52:06 +0200
>> From: Cesar Mauri <cesar crea-si com>
>> To: telepathy lists freedesktop org
>> Cc: gnome-accessibility-list gnome org
>> Subject: Pictogram support (Montreal Summit)
>> Message-ID: <4EA71366 6080506 crea-si com>
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>> Hi all,
>>
>> Recently I suggested to Meg Ford, who was attending the Montreal Summit,
>> to ask Telepathy developers whether it would be possible to add support
>> for pictogram based communication.
>>
>> Here is my suggestion:
>>
>>> Thinking in people with language and communication disorders (i.e.
>>> people not able to read/write due to cognitive/mental disorders), it
>>> would be interesting to have a IM client able to compose, send and
>>> display messages made up pictograms + text.
>>>
>>> So, messages would look like this:
>>>
>>> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/___h4z60kN9fAk/TBnOIM61kUI/__AAAAAAAAAQ8/TM0fBXcTvyA/s1600/__cumplea%C3%B1os.png
>>>
>>> Also, it would be useful to add TTS support in order to hear
>>> messages written in plain text (which could be also useful for blind
>>> people).
>>>
>>> There had been some efforts in that way:
>>>
>>> http://www.fundmaresme.com/messengervisual/
>>
>> And here Meg's answer:
>>
>>>  I spoke to one of the developers of Telepathy about this, and here is
>>> what he said:
>>>
>>> Currently Telepathy does not support this type of feature. For example,
>>> users cannot send emoticons that they have drawn themselves. Therefore,
>>> you would need to write a library for this. If you are willing to write
>>> a library, they would be happy to have this feature.
>>>
>>> Secondly, they recommend that you write a seperate app for this feature,
>>> but use the Empathy contact list. They recommend that the feature be
>>> accessed through the accessibility menu.
>> Regarding the feasibility of implementing such a library on top of the 
>> supported protocols, Meg also told me:
>>
>>> Do they all support sending icons? I assume that all of the chat programs
>>> do, but you would need to ask the Telepathy developers.  I know enough about
>>> A.T. to be able to explain what this type of feature does from a user-end
>>> perspective, but I am not a programmer. Guillame Desmottes said that you
>>> would need to write an API to support this type of program. Again, you can
>>> speak to him about it. He said that some chat programs support, for example,
>>> sending user-made icons such as these http://emoticonhq.com/   . He said
>>> that you would need to write this type of A.P.I. for Telepathy in order to
>>> support the feature you are proposing. However, it would be best if you
>>> would discuss this with him if you want more details.
>>
>> And so here I am. My questions is:
>>
>> - Do (most commonly used) supported protocols allow for sending 
>> arbitrary images along with text? Otherwise it would be pointless to try 
>> to write a library for this.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> C?sar
>>
>>
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 13:01:54 -0700
>> From: Peter Korn <peter korn oracle com>
>> To: Cesar Mauri <cesar crea-si com>
>> Cc: m <a brannstrom gmail com>,    Lars Nordberg <lars50p gmail com>,
>>    gnome-accessibility-list gnome org, Bengt Farre
>>    <bengt farre gmail com>, Annika Br?nnstr? ,
>>    telepathy lists freedesktop org
>> Subject: Re: Pictogram support (Montreal Summit)
>> Message-ID: <4EA715B2 1010004 oracle com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"
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>> Hi Cesar,
>>
>> Helping people with language and cognitive disabilities communicate with 
>> each other and with folks who don't have those disabilities is one of 
>> the tasks under the AEGIS project [http://www.aegis-project.eu].  In 
>> particular, AEGIS partners SU-DART and FPD in Sweden (staff of whom are 
>> cc-ed: Mats, Lars, Bengt, and Annika) are doing that work.
>>
>> To that end, they are building fonts out of the CCF symbol sets that 
>> they developed for helping folks in Sweden with language and 
>> communication impairments.  Initially these fonts would be used as part 
>> of a text editor - displaying symbols alongside the 
>> English/Swedish/Spanish/... words representing the same concepts (to be 
>> done as a plug-in to OpenOffice.org / LibreOffice).  But the intention 
>> is that they could be used for direct communication - with any 
>> communication application that supported multi-byte characters.
>>
>>
>> I'll let Mats/Lars/Bengt/Annika describe this in further detail.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> On 10/25/2011 12:52 PM, Cesar Mauri wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Recently I suggested to Meg Ford, who was attending the Montreal Summit,
>>> to ask Telepathy developers whether it would be possible to add support
>>> for pictogram based communication.
>>>
>>> Here is my suggestion:
>>>
>>>> Thinking in people with language and communication disorders (i.e.
>>>> people not able to read/write due to cognitive/mental disorders), it
>>>> would be interesting to have a IM client able to compose, send and
>>>> display messages made up pictograms + text.
>>>>
>>>> So, messages would look like this:
>>>>
>>>> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/___h4z60kN9fAk/TBnOIM61kUI/__AAAAAAAAAQ8/TM0fBXcTvyA/s1600/__cumplea%C3%B1os.png 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Also, it would be useful to add TTS support in order to hear
>>>> messages written in plain text (which could be also useful for blind
>>>> people).
>>>>
>>>> There had been some efforts in that way:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.fundmaresme.com/messengervisual/
>>>
>>> And here Meg's answer:
>>>
>>>>  I spoke to one of the developers of Telepathy about this, and here is
>>>> what he said:
>>>>
>>>> Currently Telepathy does not support this type of feature. For example,
>>>> users cannot send emoticons that they have drawn themselves. Therefore,
>>>> you would need to write a library for this. If you are willing to write
>>>> a library, they would be happy to have this feature.
>>>>
>>>> Secondly, they recommend that you write a seperate app for this feature,
>>>> but use the Empathy contact list. They recommend that the feature be
>>>> accessed through the accessibility menu.
>>> Regarding the feasibility of implementing such a library on top of the 
>>> supported protocols, Meg also told me:
>>>
>>>> Do they all support sending icons? I assume that all of the chat 
>>>> programs
>>>> do, but you would need to ask the Telepathy developers.  I know 
>>>> enough about
>>>> A.T. to be able to explain what this type of feature does from a 
>>>> user-end
>>>> perspective, but I am not a programmer. Guillame Desmottes said that you
>>>> would need to write an API to support this type of program. Again, 
>>>> you can
>>>> speak to him about it. He said that some chat programs support, for 
>>>> example,
>>>> sending user-made icons such as these http://emoticonhq.com/   . He said
>>>> that you would need to write this type of A.P.I. for Telepathy in 
>>>> order to
>>>> support the feature you are proposing. However, it would be best if you
>>>> would discuss this with him if you want more details.
>>>
>>> And so here I am. My questions is:
>>>
>>> - Do (most commonly used) supported protocols allow for sending 
>>> arbitrary images along with text? Otherwise it would be pointless to 
>>> try to write a library for this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> C?sar
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> gnome-accessibility-list mailing list
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>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
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