Re: Missing parts of desktop

[Inigo Serna Robledo <inigo gaztelan bi ehu es>]

	Hello,

I'm not a game developer but I've tested several libraries to check the
state-of-art...

* in 3D graphics, OpenGL is THE solution, maybe gtkglarea could be in
gtk+extra?

* for 2D or little 3D apps, SDL is a fair library.

* OpenAL as an audio library

but I think we lack some bonobo components / libraries to play .mp3,
.midi, etc files.

Regards,
		Iņigo


On Fri, 4 Aug 2000, Lauris Kaplinski wrote:

> 
> On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, Hilaire Fernandes wrote:
> 
> >  > I think somebody (somewhere, sometimes) should sit down and write down
> >  > outlines of bigger GNOME desktop that the one we currently have.
> >  > 
> >  > What bothers me, is lack of some essential libraries:
> >  > - audio, especially MIDI & similar
> >  > - gaming graphics (3D and 2D animation etc.)
> >  > 
> >  > There are certainly other missing pieces I am overlooking.
> > 
> > We need multimedia player able to export content through bonobo. 
> 
> Possibly. But it can take years to develop. And although we have something
> to output sampled sounds, the situation with MIDI (or whatever other music
> format) is much worse.
> 
> >  > I am not talking about big games - these implement ad hoc set of
> >  > multiplatform libraries themselves to reach maximum possible audience. I
> >  > mean little multimedia programs, such as children learning tools, that
> >  > could be otherwise written easily for gnome - but lack of standard
> >  > libraries make that mostly useless.
> >  
> > What kind of stuff do you thinks about. I found the canvas very
> > helpfull in this goal.
> 
> Canvas can serve as foundation for simple 2D display - but there are
> things like animation, sound synchronisation etc. that we could collect
> into libraries, instead of reimplementing. 3D is currently entirely out of
> scope from Gnome, as even gtkglarea is not shipped as standard part.
> 
> >  > What is needed, is political consensus: we name such and such
> >  > libraries/projects as official part of GNOME desktop.
> >  
> > Any propostion?
> 
> I know little about audio things. People use libmikmod and are happy. We
> can even write wrapper/frontend library, if people can write good API, but
> I personally think we should start simply with shipping existing one with
> gnome.
> Certainly we have to include OpenAL to gnome base libraries.
> For 3D there are many good libs floating around, but most of them are C++
> - for that reason I started once project named floyd, to build Gtk+ OpenGL
> scene graph library.
> OpenGL WILL soon be standard in Gnome (being standard in XFree).
> 
> Regards,
> Lauris
> 
> 
> 
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