What should we put in the context at the code to fix this issue for all languages?Thanks Rafal, Petr for the answer,It's still confusing to me what I should in the code then, if context "verb" or "noun" it's not enough. Just to clarify, I'm not the translator.CheersOn Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 11:25 PM, Rafal Luzynski <digitalfreak lingonborough com> wrote:18.01.2018 14:03 Petr Kovar <pmkovar gnome org> wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, 18 Jan 2018 13:50:02 +0100
> Carlos Soriano <csoriano gnome org> wrote:
>
> > Hey all,
> >
> > I asked Rahul to send an email because we couldn't figure out what is the
> > problem in Czech for the word "Sort" that is explained in that issue. Do
> > any Czech person (Andre? :P) understand the problem explained in the issue
> > and what context does it require for Czech people to be able to translate
> > it properly?
> >
> > In case you need to check in the actual UI of Nautilus, the two uses of the
> > word Sort are (Nautilus 3.26):
> > 1- Preferences -> Views -> Sort
> > 2- Hamburguer menu -> Sort (as title of one of the menu sections)
>
> Just a wild guess: the former could be translated as a noun (třídění) while
> the latter as a verb (třídit).
>
> "When marking strings for translations, there may be certain strings that
> are used in more than one context, and so may need different translations.
> In these cases, you should use translation contexts to disambiguate them. "
>
> https://wiki.gnome.org/TranslationProject/ DevGuidelines/Translation% 20contexts
TLDR: In case of a doubt it's better to split.
Full explanation. A split translation term should also contain translators
comments to explain why it is split and what is the difference between the
meanings. "This is in a preference window" and "This is in a toolbar view
menu" is not enough; it must be explained what is its role in a preference
window and in a menu. Those two lines:
> 1- Preferences -> Views -> Sort
> 2- Hamburguer menu -> Sort (as title of one of the menu sections)
look better. "Verb" and "noun" as the context name is also not good and
can be misleading, some languages may use a different scheme than Czech
and sooner or later you will get a complaint from an XX translator saying
"The noun does not fit here in my language, please change" or "My language
does not have infinite verbs, what should I do?" :-)
In case of a doubt in the meaning in English it is also good to check how
other languages similar to your own have solved this problem, for example
Polish: [1]
#: src/resources/ui/nautilus-preferences-window.ui:44
#: src/resources/ui/nautilus-toolbar-view-menu.ui:98
msgid "Sort"
msgstr "Porządkowanie"
So this is twice a noun (like Czech "Třídění"). I understand that for a menu
item and other commands you'd like a verb, maybe in an infinitive form
("Třídit"), maybe in an imperative form (hm... I don't know how to say it
in Czech). But the other day I saw translation guidelines for Polish
translations (I can't find the link now) which said that we should avoid
personal verbs ("Please copy" or "I'm copying") and use impersonal nouns
("[The] Copy", "Copying in progress") because computers are not humans and
we should not give the users an impression that they are talking to computers.
Maybe you should adopt the same in Czech language as well and use "Třídění"
in both cases?
Regards,
Rafal
[1] https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/blob/master/po/ pl.po
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