Re: Suggestion on how to resolve the 'logout problem' (Was Re: Why 'the logout problem' is a GNOME problem, not a WM problem)

["Jesse D . Sightler" <jsight mindspring com>]

On Mon, 19 Apr 1999 01:32:24 James Ramsey wrote:

> > This is already there, AFAIK.
> 
> Are you sure? I thought Raster wrote the GNOME-compliance spec himself.
> Could you point me to a URL?
> 
> If it is there then at least half the problem is solved.

Session management support is required, so, yes, it is there.  I can't
remember the exact URL, but it shouldn't be too hard to find from
http://www.gnome.org/.  :)

> I think you misread slightly. The user doesn't write the script that I
> mentioned. The idea is that that the script would come with GNOME
> (likely with some shell variable or something in place of 'FooWM
> --some-args . . .'). The user wouldn't even have to even see the
> script. All the user would have to do is to add the item
> 
> gnome-session --use-non-GNOME-compliant-WM='name-of-WM'
> 
> to the .xinitrc/.Xclients file. gnome-session would then execute the
> script. That's not much more convoluted than putting 'gnome-session'
> into the .xinitrc/.Xclients file, which is part of the installation
> instructions for GNOME. 

Current System:
	1.  User must know what a WM is. :)
	2.  User must know that if WM is not Gnome compliant, logging out
from the WM will not necessarily work.

Your Proposed System:
	1.  User must konw what a WM is.  :)
	2.  User must know whether or not WM is Gnome compliant.
	3.  If he knows that it is not Gnome compliant, then he must know
the command line options for Gnome-session.
	4.  He must know the name of the Window Manager being used so that
he can pass this to Gnome-session.

My opinion is that neither of these situations are particularly friendly to
complete newbies moving over from Windows.  Having users select which Window
Manager to use, including those that are not Gnome-compliant, probably never
will be.

For those with some knowledge of the situation, however, the current system
is probably as adequate as anything else that can be developed.

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Jesse D. Sightler
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