[Fwd: Re: [GnomeMeeting-list] Re: Gnomemeeting not running over the net...]

[Damien Sandras <dsandras seconix com>]

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> From: Hugh Daniel <hugh road toad com>
> To: Craig Southeren <craigs equival com au>
> Cc: gnomemeeting-list gnome org, Damien Sandras <dsandras seconix com>, delaunoi info ucl ac be
> Subject: Re: [GnomeMeeting-list] Re: Gnomemeeting not running over the net...
> Date: 23 Apr 2002 03:54:16 -0700
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>   Sheesh, who needs sleep!
> 
>   Mr. Southeren, Mr. Sandras forward a bug report I emailed him to the
> list and I was just following suit by posting follow ups there.
> 
>   Frankly I could not care less about the purity of "Free Source" or
> "Open Source".  I care about making Unix systems function and solve
> problems, in clean and secure ways.
> 
>   The VoIP situation on Linux has been a disaster and I have been
> pushing on various people to make something that both works and is
> clean.  I am doing that now, GConf is crap.  Just in case no one has
> said the King has no Clothes today.
> 
>   Maybe it's fixable, maybe not.  It broke a test I was running on
> GnomeMeeting and I spoke up.  Life's rough.  If we (as a community)
> don't work very hard (like the Unix community has) at keeping our
> systems clean and well designed we will end up like MS.  Quickly.
> 
>   Frankly I have tried dealing with OpenH323 several times over the
> years and I think I even exchanged email with you some time ago.  I
> have avoided OpenH323 as much as I could as it seemed a bigger mess
> then the kernel (even worse makefiles, useless install doc, horrid
> protocol design (ITU after all, not your fault obviously) etc.).
> Honestly though it may be better if it's changed a lot in the last
> year, I have not looked since about last April or May.
> 
>   Maybe your annoyed now.  Good.  Use your anger at me to _do a better
> job_ of making this stuff actually work, and work WELL and not just be
> flashy and cute and (if your lucky) profitable on the demo machines!
> 
>   Don't think I am pulling the rug out from under you.  I have a few
> thousand dollars worth of quite useless QuickNet (your parent
> company) hardware I got when I thought it would be useful.  Tonights
> test was in part to see if the software had matured to the point where
> I might use that hardware and recommend it again to customers.  I
> don't care about our sunk cost of hardware, I care that I have not had
> useful VoIP in all this time.
> 
>   I am _trying_ to both make and push many pieces of Linux to be
> useful.  Audio (except for the MP3 music porn output function) and
> VoIP have been a total nightmare and massive time sink on Linux for
> years.  Mr. Sandras and the RAT folks are the ONLY folks to have
> contributed anything that works at all on more the the developers
> personal machine (and even RAT had problems with that...), and that
> only in the last few months on the latest systems.  GonmeMeeting is
> less then a year old and so is clearly gaining functionality fastest.
> 
>   They are to both be congratulated and thanked and then NOT coddled,
> as the work is in no way done.  Bug reports, criticisms and even
> whining (what I have to do by decree for most of my crypto work) are
> valid feedback THAT MUST NOT STOP if GnomeMeeting and other projects
> are to reach the quality level that make the core of Unix useful, so
> useful that Linux is a cone of it.
> 
>   Of course I am sure that Mr. Sandras would appreciate actual code
> and documentation contributions even more then feeback...  But
> realistically I am busy with my work and could point out that GConf
> was breaking GnomeMeeting, I do NOT have the time this week to go rip
> out GConf from GM and put something more robust in.  Though if I keep
> up this email flamage I might just waste that much time!
> 
>   Back to other things for me, and hopefully for all of you.  Have
> fun.
> 
> 		||ugh Daniel
> 		hugh toad com
> 			     ...troublemakers both on and off the net...
> 
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