Re: [orca-list] [Fwd: Default button of Orca]

[Steve Holmes <steve holmes88 gmail com>]

Yes thanks, Atilla, I forgot about the config dialog coming up when
Orca is started for the first time without any pre-existing
configuration present.  This is what new users to Orca are most likely
to encounter.  Now once an Orca configuration is built, later arrivals
to the Orca main screen will then encounter what you are discussing.
At that point, I would think a brief read-only text box would be a
good idea and have it be the default tabstop for the dialog.  In fact,
several applications havwe "revolving tips which could be eventually
incorperated into Orca where each entry to the application could bring
up the next tip and so on.  You could also jump back and forth through
these tips with prev and next buttons.  But this is a long shot from
what you were originally suggesting.  But these tips or the single
text box (for now) could be a good start.  

But once someone has been through the original setup, they may soon
learn that you could have the Orca window hidden at future startups
and then there would be no bother.  If/when Orca is brought up
intentionally, I think the default button should remain "Preferences"
since that is probably where you want to go in the first place.
Though you can also get there by pressing Orca+Space to go directly to
Preferences.

Sorry for the rambling here.

On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 11:06:15AM +0100, Alan Bell wrote:
> On 21/04/11 10:30, Hammer Attila wrote:
> > Hy,
> >
> > Sorry alan, prewious I only send you my answer.
> > If I remember right if a distro not have preconfigured Orca
> > user-settings.conf for example the live user home directory,
> > automaticaly presenting Orca the preferences dialog if accessibility
> > related settings are enabled.
> > Try you if accessibility and screen reader mode enabled your system
> > you remove with ~/.local/share/orca/user-settings.conf file, and
> > restart Orca if already running. You will be see automaticaly the
> > preferences dialog, and not Orca main window.
> > So, if a distro not containing a preconfigured Orca setting file, your
> > ydea is not helping this problem with Orca main window related. Only
> > in Ubuntu Natty for example if the moderate blindness, blindness, or
> > braille profile is selected, in live CD automaticaly creating casper
> > 30accessibility script a default user-settings.conf file for live user
> > .local/share/orca directory.
> thanks, I will have a look at that, I was wondering why the
> preferences dialog sometimes opened on startup, must be when I
> installed with the default profile.
> > If need fixing this problem, I think need following milestones:
> > 1. Need doing a feature request for upstream level in bugzilla if not
> > existing actual logged in user .local/share/orca directory an
> > user-settings.conf file, Orca creating a default file if accessibility
> > related settings are enabled correctly without presenting automaticaly
> > the preferences dialog.
> > 2. If this feature request is implemented and committed, need perhaps
> > change upstream level the default Orca window focused button if more
> > users want this for example you wanted help button. Better doing a
> > setting with possible changing this, and implementing perhaps a gui
> > setting preference for Orca general page? The problem, some users
> > perhaps want this change in Orca main window, some users not, so need
> > prowide a possibility to restore main focus order if your ydea is
> > agreed more users.
> yeah, I was hoping it would be a 2 second minor tweak to a UI file
> that everyone would see as an improvement!
> > With help page related topic orders, I agree your ydea. The prewious
> > 3.0 release development Joanie and other documentation contributors
> > doed a very big work to rewrite Orca documentation, this is not easy
> > work, future perhaps possible changing the topic orders with your
> > suggestions.
> The help files are great, there is fantastic content in there and I
> do understand the effort that goes into that. My concern is just
> putting it in a discoverable sequence when navigating it using Orca.
> Maybe what I really want is a separate Orca user training
> application. Something that contains a bunch of radio buttons, check
> boxes, input fields, etc and labels that tell you step by step what
> keys to press to get you round.
>
> Alan.
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