Re: [orca-list] the speakupmodified dists from speakupmodified.org

[Alex Midence <alex midence gmail com>]

I've heard that there's a way to make Emacs have more conventional key
bindings just like it can mimic those of Vi.  I have never bothered to
investigate it further though.  I use the Emacs key bindings just fine and I
don't think I'd personally care to change them.  I'm used to them now.

Alex M


-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list-bounces gnome org [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On
Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 9:57 AM
To: orca-list
Subject: Re: [orca-list] the speakupmodified dists from speakupmodified.org

I don't think anyone is saying that Emacs isn't different from what people
are used to today, but I think the point is, and I thought of making this
myself, is that Emacs didn't choose to be different or non-standard or go
away from the convention that you see today. Emacs predates all of what you
think of as standard or conventional these days. I also don't think you'll
see Emacs changing it's key bindings any time soon. This would frustrate
long time Emacs users, and you'd have to prove that marking text with
control+shift+arrow keys and cutting it with control+x is superior to
setting a mark and then writing it to the queue with control+w. Emacs maybe
unfamiliar when compared to GUI applications of the day, but that doesn't
mean it isn't a superior way of doing things. Just as Orca isn't going to
drop something superior just to be compatible with JAWS, Emacs isn't going
to drop a better way of doing something just to make it work more like MS
Office.

On 10/07/12 09:33, Thomas Ward wrote:
> Hi Kirk,
>
> You are absolutely correct, but it doesn't change the facts. We are 
> not living in the 1980's any more, and today most of the people who 
> are using computers have grown up with Microsoft Windows, Microsoft 
> Office, etc and never had experience with Dos let alone Emacs etc.
> While Emacs may have been the norm for the 1980's it is very 
> unconventional now days and the majority of the users will inevitably 
> choose Open Office, Libre Office, Gedit, whatever because it is 
> similar to their prior experience. Were Emacs rewritten with more 
> modern keyboard commands it might possibly see more use from the 
> people coming from the Mac OS/Windows environments.
>
> Cheers!
>
>
> On 7/10/12, Kirk Reiser <kirk braille uwo ca> wrote:
> > I believe you are absolutely right in your message below except for 
> > one fact.  It is not that emacs or vi chose to be different than the 
> > norm.  When they were written they were the norm.  This is a point 
> > that so many newbies either forget or never learned.  The editors and 
> > other applications such as emacs came long before Microsoft ever 
> > dreamed of Windows or even DOS.  DOS was a cheap immitation of the 
> > Unix type shell only poorer, a lesser cousin if you will.
> >
> > They could not choose to be different because there was nobody to be 
> > different from except other unknowns by todays standards such a teco 
> > and redit etc.
> >
> >    Kirk
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