Re: replace esound/audiofile with gstreamer

[Frederic Crozat <fcrozat mandrakesoft com>]

Le mar 16/07/2002 à 16:22, Ali Akcaagac a écrit :
> On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 15:59, Frederic Crozat wrote:
> > > who wants that ? ok for a multiuser system i may understand this but for
> > > single user systems that many of us are running it doesn't matter much.
> > > i mean i changed gstreamer with gconf-edit to point to my alsasink and
> > > done.
> > 
> > Average users don't even want to know what sound system they are using
> > and they shouldn't have to know that.. 
> 
> good, then it's easy to port to gstreamer now :) since the average user
> don't want to know what he uses. (how much i hate sentences like this,
> since linux and derivates are no average users systems). no, i don't
> want to argue in the air now. i am arguing about what may be good for
> gnome. actually i don't care much about non-gnome users. either it's the
> step towards gstreamer or we (we as in generally spoken) stick in the
> old things for the next comming years. as distributor you can still
> compile esound/audiofile for your customers.

Where did you read that ???

I was talking about interoperability between GNOME and other sound
servers.. 

You can't expect people (and non GNOME developers) to drop support for
old sound servers just because GNOME does..

If we switch to a new sound system, we should try to fix the remaining
issue we still have with the current sound system (ie being able to
dynamically plug on either ARTS/ESD/ALSA/OSS)..

> > > with the new alsa9 support. not that it is a bug or something but it
> > > doesn't support devfs therefore wants to access things that i can't deal
> > > with (but i must admit that i havent investigated into that issue much
> > > since i don't care much about esound).
> > 
> > You are making assumption on users... Not all users want to/have
> > compiled GNOME.. 
> 
> and not all users want to stick with old stuff. it's hard for me to
> follow you since in the gnome channel you seem to follow the way of
> having esound/audiofile substituted with gstreamer yourself but on the
> mailinglist i somehow get the feeling that you want to keep
> esound/audiofile.

Again, I've never said that.. 
I said we must be able to interoperate with old systems/softwares..

For example, currently, with esound, you can have both ALSA and OSS
support at the same time => distributors have to disable support for
ALSA since not all sound drivers have an ALSA interface...

We must drain the swap, not fill it again..

-- 
Frédéric Crozat
MandrakeSoft