Re: Why GTK+ vs. GNOME?

[Sean Middleditch <sean middleditch iname com>]

Franck Martin wrote:

> My mistake...
>
> KDE does not run on windows. Only Qt runs on both... But I think the KDE
> team makes more difference between Qt and KDE.
>

OK then.

>
> Troll has also spoken about porting Qt directly to the SVGA Linux library.
> So no more need for X. Off course you loose all the nice stuff of X but it
> is much smaller in size and may be it is the way to go on PDA's...

Personally, I rather like the idea of a toolkit being somewhat platform
specific.  Then you take full advantage of the platform.  If one expects a
single program to compile for many platforms, that program can't take advantage
of any features of those platforms that all the others don't have.  I'd be one
to vote for using a wrapper like wxWindows (though note, I KNOW that's not a
good choice for many reasons, like size... impossible on a PDA; plus again
there's the depency issue) or using the native API.  I mean, very few
applications I write for X would be useful on a PDA without serious
modifications anyhow, to the point of basically a rewrite.  And, if a toolkit
runs on that many different platforms, think of maintaining the code... and if
its kept in seperate modules, then its not really the same tookit.

OK, I don't think most of that made sense, but I'm tired.  G'Night everyone,
see... type to you all tomorrow!

> Cheers.
>
> Franck Martin
> Database Development Officer
> SOPAC South Pacific Applied Geoscience Commission
> Fiji
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sean Middleditch [mailto:sean.middleditch@iname.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 3:15 PM
> To: Franck Martin
> Cc: gnome-devel-list@gnome.org
> Subject: Re: Why GTK+ vs. GNOME?
>
> Franck Martin wrote:
>
> > 3)KDE runs on Windows, which is why people think about KDE. You then reach
> > 95% of the market. wxWindows is following the same principle it allows to
> > code for Gnome and Windows. So Why not have this possibility directly in
> > Gnome... I'm curious to see how StarOffice will be ported to gtk/gnome and
> > still run on windows, OS/2 and MacOS...
>
> I had no idea KDE runs on Windows... Qt, yes, but I didn't think all of KDE
> ran
> on it.  That's actually kind of impressive.  The people have been busy.
>
> Not to sound demeaning, but it sorta seems like KDE team works faster than
> the
> GNOME team.  Perhaps they have more members, or maybe it's just because most
> of
> the GNOME work is behind-the-scenes stuff right now?  Either way, I'm still
> more imporessed with GNOME development.  For more innovative.  ~,^
>
> > Cheers.
> >
> > Franck Martin
> > Database Development Officer
> > SOPAC South Pacific Applied Geoscience Commission
> > Fiji
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Sean Middleditch [mailto:sean.middleditch@iname.com]
> > Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 1:38 PM
> > To: Franck Martin; gnome-devel-list@gnome.org
> > Subject: Re: Why GTK+ vs. GNOME?
> >
> > Franck Martin wrote:
> >
> > > I think the major problem of all this is that GTK is cross platform,
> while
> > > gnome is not: it runs on only one type of OS: Unix and Unix like.
> >
> > Really?  what other platforms is gtk stable on?
> >
> > > I like when I develop to use the Gnome bells and whistle, but I have the
> > > feeling that most of it should be inside GTK rather than in GNOME.
> >
> > Ok, think about this: if you put it in GTK, then that defeats the entire
> > purpose of not having GNOME, doesn't it?
> >
> > > For instance the Gnome icon set used for menus or toolbars should rather
> > be
> > > inside GTK, so when you port to windows, standard windows icons appears.
> >
> > Does GTK use these icons?  I could understand wanting them in a seperate
> > package, but placing icons in ANY binaries/source packge that doesn't
> > require
> > them is kinda ludicrous...
> >
> > > Gnome is a desktop interface, and should stay that, while GTK is in
> charge
> >
> > > of displaying anything on the screen in a standard manner..
> >
> > That is true.  Good point.
> >
> > > So everything will be levelled between KDE and GNOME, the day a
> > > Windows/Mac/BeOS port of GNOME is started.
> >
> > KDE runs on all these?
> >
> > > Franck Martin
> > > Database Development Officer
> > > SOPAC South Pacific Applied Geoscience Commission
> > > Fiji
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