Re[2]: Why GTK+ vs. GNOME?

[Magnus Wirström <magnus www bip net>]

On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:14:58 +0300 you wrote:

 > 
 > * Franck Martin (Franck@sopac.org) wrote at 18:02 on 11/08/00:
 > > 2)Some of the gnome libraries are related to display things on the screen,
 > > which gives applications a nice look. I think this part should be in GTK
 > > while drag and drop, bonobo,.. should stay in gnome. I tried to convert a
 > > gnome application created with glade to a gtk strict application. And I
 > > found out that I had to remove half of the Gnome GUI (buttons, menus,...) to
 > > recreate it manualy in GTK. I think this is the problem: the gnomeUI library
 > > should be a GTK library.
 > 
 > What exactly would the point of this be? You might as well just 'scrub'
 > gnome-libs and fold it into Gtk+? It does not make sense to 'move everything
 > into Gtk+' because then Gtk+ will become 'bloated'. 
 > 
 > How come I've never heard of people in the KDE group advocating moving widgets
 > into Qt?
 > 
 > GNOME is here to provide a consistent interface/desktop to *nix users. Gtk+ is
 > a cross-platform graphics toolkit. These are two largely different goals. 
 > 
 > Also - the fact of the matter is, the Gtk+ maintainers do not want to move all
 > the GNOME 'widgets' into Gtk+ because it will be maintenance nightmare for them.
 > 
 > In the future though (GNOME 2.0), the number of 'dependencies' for gnome-libs
 > will disappear. For example you won't need esd/audiofile (hopefully),
 > gdk-pixbuf is in Gtk+ and will be replacing all imlib usage. You will only
 > need very few additional packages to be able to compile gnome-libs (possible
 > bonobo, possible gnome-vfs, etc.)
 >  
 > > 3)KDE runs on Windows, which is why people think about KDE. You then reach
 > > 95% of the market. wxWindows is following the same principle it allows to
 > > code for Gnome and Windows. So Why not have this possibility directly in
 > > Gnome... I'm curious to see how StarOffice will be ported to gtk/gnome and
 > > still run on windows, OS/2 and MacOS...
 > 
 > Porting GNOME to windows is not something the core GNOME hackers want to work
 > on. They are just trying to provide a good consistent interface for the *nix
 > people. GNOME's goal is not to 'run on windows'. GNOME's goal is to make *nix
 > so easy to use that people will convert from Windows. 
 > 
 > The plain fact of the matter is, nobody has sat down to port GNOME to windows. A
 > lot of the infrastructure for that is there, but it has not grabbed anybody's
 > interest. Gtk+ has been ported to win32, libxml has been ported to win32,
 > There might be ORBit for win32 (if there isn't you can just use another ORB).
 > It is true that probably not /ALL/ of the infrastructure has been ported, but
 > you can't just 'expect everything Unix' to work on windows without some work.
 > 
 > If _YOU_ want GNOME to run on Windows. _YOU_ need to take the initiative
 > 
 >  
Well... I am a new programmer to *NIX and to GNOME and I just wanted to
say that I like the GNOMEUI libs as they are and infact I would like to
see more libs like that and making GNOME a little bit less dependent of
gtk (if that is possible, I have not yet learned what gtk roll is in
GNOME, but I have this feeling that it is a huge one) anyway... I vote
for it to stay as it is ! It is so much nicer to work with than Windows!
But still I have only worked and used GNOME for olny a couple of months
so I have not really any experience of it!


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