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Re: LibXML2 Indentation

> Just to put a final point on this: first I got the following delicious
> mail from that person:

You should make it complete then and not half otherwise people may get a
wrong impression of the whole.

1) This was my mail to the list which I have sent to desktop-devel-list
   and gnome-deve-list. Everyone sees that there is no offensive nor
   insulting comments inside it.

2) Was your first official reply to me which was highly offensive and
   not really friendly written. You put yourself on a dominating
   position and once again replied to the evil complaining user. And I
   was asking myself what I did wrong again.

3) I again replied to you and tried to be political correct only pointed
   out to you that I have issues getting offensive feedback from people
   and further went back to the context of my initial questions.

4) I again got a reply from you highly offensive and I ask myself what I
   now did wrong again. I haven't done anything wrong, nor was I
   offensive till then nor did I wrote bad about anything. But look how
   that guy replied to me.

5) He got the answer from me that I think suits best to how he wrote.
   Not best but it wasn't meant for the public at all.

6) The first time I got a halfway usable answer from him that I could
   categorize to be halfway readable and this time it sounds like 2
   normal humans would sit on a table and exchange 2 normal sentences.

7) His mail showed up on the list containing some quotes from a private
   email.

That's it. Now you can judge yourself but not earlier.

Greetings,

Ali Akcaagac

>From aliakc web de Tue Apr 29 01:29:23 2003
Subject: LibXML2 Indentation
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Hi,

Short question, is there an environment flag or something that allows
LibXML2 to indent it's created files instead putting everything into one
line ? e.g. force every GNOME application to write it's xml based
configuration in a nicely indented way ?

In the LibXML2 FAQ I was able to read something about $XMLINT_INDENT
environment variable but there aren't any further informations about
this and I'm not sure if this is what I want.

If such an option is not availble then I would like to know this too so
I can write a bugreport about this.

greets,

Ali Akcaagac

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On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 01:29:23AM +0200, Ali Akcaagac wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Short question, is there an environment flag or something that allows
> LibXML2 to indent it's created files instead putting everything into one
> line ? e.g. force every GNOME application to write it's xml based
> configuration in a nicely indented way ?
> 
> In the LibXML2 FAQ I was able to read something about $XMLINT_INDENT
> environment variable but there aren't any further informations about
> this and I'm not sure if this is what I want.

  Have you *really* read the FAQ ?
  http://xmlsoft.org/FAQ.html#Developer
  #1 is the direct  answer to your question.

In a nutshell:
   - white spaces *are significant* in XML content !
   - I you need spaces you should *generate* them
   - libxml2 offers way to indent XML output but will not
     do it by default and will not do it if it detect a possible
     case where changing text nodes may induce a semantic change

Addendum: why post on desktop-devel-list and gnome-devel-list while
          it is clearly a libxml2 only issue ?
	  http://xmlsoft.org/bugs.html
	  There is also a search engine on xmlsoft.org, I hate repeating
	  the same stuff over and over again !

Daniel

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>From aliakc web de Tue Apr 29 02:31:45 2003
Subject: Re: LibXML2 Indentation
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On Tue, 2003-04-29 at 02:18, Daniel Veillard wrote:
> Addendum: why post on desktop-devel-list and gnome-devel-list while
>           it is clearly a libxml2 only issue ?
> 	  http://xmlsoft.org/bugs.html
> 	  There is also a search engine on xmlsoft.org, I hate repeating
> 	  the same stuff over and over again !

Sorry for replying from bottom to top.

First of all I have serious issues getting replies like yours even if
they are meant to help but if you hate replying to someone then simply
don't do it. Writing things the way you did 'in a half pissed off way'
only gives me the feeling to have done something wrong. In this case
have asked in general. Have you ever thought to reply to someone without
being such a jackass in a more friendly way. That don't make me think or
become unhappy ? Are you talking the same way with your friends and
family ?

Ok after I have cleared up this please excuse for having written the
previous paragraph. I do thank you for your reply regardless if it
sounded a bit rude or not. I wrote it to both desktops because I'm
moderated on one.

> > In the LibXML2 FAQ I was able to read something about $XMLINT_INDENT
> > environment variable but there aren't any further informations about
> > this and I'm not sure if this is what I want.
> 
>   Have you *really* read the FAQ ?

Yes, I did read the FAQ as good as I could and as good my english was to
understand it.

>   http://xmlsoft.org/FAQ.html#Developer
>   #1 is the direct  answer to your question.
> 
> In a nutshell:
>    - white spaces *are significant* in XML content !
>    - I you need spaces you should *generate* them
>    - libxml2 offers way to indent XML output but will not
>      do it by default and will not do it if it detect a possible
>      case where changing text nodes may induce a semantic change

Yes I did read this. But this doesn't answer my question. I don't want
to go manually through all my thousands of XML files on my System only
to have them all indented. It would be cool to have some sorts of
environment variable that enforces LibXML2 to actually do this on write.
Have you ever tried to manually change a LibXML2 generated config or
preferences file which has a linelength of 20000 chars and more ? I'm
not talking about one XML file here (which I could change easily) I am
more refering to hundrets if not thousands of them. Mainly in my GNOME
and .gconf dirs.

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To: Ali Akcaagac <aliakc web de>
Subject: Re: LibXML2 Indentation
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On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 02:31:45AM +0200, Ali Akcaagac wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-04-29 at 02:18, Daniel Veillard wrote:
> > Addendum: why post on desktop-devel-list and gnome-devel-list while
> >           it is clearly a libxml2 only issue ?
> > 	  http://xmlsoft.org/bugs.html
> > 	  There is also a search engine on xmlsoft.org, I hate repeating
> > 	  the same stuff over and over again !
> 
> Sorry for replying from bottom to top.
> 
> First of all I have serious issues getting replies like yours even if
> they are meant to help but if you hate replying to someone then simply
> don't do it. Writing things the way you did 'in a half pissed off way'
> only gives me the feeling to have done something wrong. In this case
> have asked in general. Have you ever thought to reply to someone without
> being such a jackass in a more friendly way. That don't make me think or
> become unhappy ? Are you talking the same way with your friends and
> family ?

  1/ your post was on the wrong lists
  2/ your post was on multiple lists
  3/ your post contained incacuracies about the content of libxml2 FAQ
  4/ you obviously didn't took the time to check serously

 I think I had a good reason to show I was annoyed.
Now you can stop the crap  about juging my behaviour or I will have to start
juging yours, I think you would loose overall.

> Ok after I have cleared up this please excuse for having written the
> previous paragraph. I do thank you for your reply regardless if it
> sounded a bit rude or not. I wrote it to both desktops because I'm
> moderated on one.

  In both case it was the wrong list and in both case it was obvious if you
had took the 30 seconds needed to go on xmlsoft.org and read the 
  "Reporting bugs and getting help" page

> >   http://xmlsoft.org/FAQ.html#Developer
> >   #1 is the direct  answer to your question.
> > 
> > In a nutshell:
> >    - white spaces *are significant* in XML content !
> >    - I you need spaces you should *generate* them
> >    - libxml2 offers way to indent XML output but will not
> >      do it by default and will not do it if it detect a possible
> >      case where changing text nodes may induce a semantic change
> 
> Yes I did read this. But this doesn't answer my question. I don't want
> to go manually through all my thousands of XML files on my System only
> to have them all indented.

  The indentation is a *destructive* property. Indenting all your XML 
files on your system will break an awful lot of processing, period, read
the XML spec it's written black on white *spaces in content ARE SIGNIFICANT*
It's written clearly in the FAQ !

> It would be cool to have some sorts of
> environment variable that enforces LibXML2 to actually do this on write.
> Have you ever tried to manually change a LibXML2 generated config or
> preferences file which has a linelength of 20000 chars and more ? I'm
> not talking about one XML file here (which I could change easily) I am
> more refering to hundrets if not thousands of them. Mainly in my GNOME
> and .gconf dirs.

  Change the programs, only the code can be made sure that the change
will not break the semantic of the file content.

Daniel

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>From aliakc web de Tue Apr 29 12:10:24 2003
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On Tue, 2003-04-29 at 11:32, Daniel Veillard wrote:
>   1/ your post was on the wrong lists
>   2/ your post was on multiple lists
>   3/ your post contained incacuracies about the content of libxml2 FAQ
>   4/ you obviously didn't took the time to check serously
> 
> I think I had a good reason to show I was annoyed.
> Now you can stop the crap  about juging my behaviour or I will have to start
> juging yours, I think you would loose overall.

Listen. If it was wrong, then who actually cares ? I wrote an global
email to gnome-devel-list and desktop-devel-list and asked everyone on
there (not specially you) if he/she knows an answer. You must have
serious issues and probably go mad and piss into your pants if something
moves out of the way that you like to see. Please feel free to start
judging my behaviour. I only defend my position about all you stupid
evil people. The entire GNOME community is full of fucking retarded
pricks like you. Even your reply to Vadim Plesky on the List some weeks
ago was everything else than a correct humanworthy reply. And knowing
from the past it seem to be the only way you reply to people. In a rude
evil and jackass way.

Sorry for having wasted your time and please do not ever reply to me
anymore you are simply a dumb person.

> In both case it was the wrong list and in both case it was obvious if you
> had took the 30 seconds needed to go on xmlsoft.org and read the "Reporting
> bugs and getting help" page

Yes I did read the FAQ, I was on xmlsoft.org the page where I did read
the FAQ. But the point you have missed was that I didn't wanted to
attack LibXML2 or report a bug or something. I simply wanted intendation
in my xml files and wasn't sure if it was LibXML2 related or if it was
some stuff within GConf that needs to be taken care of. Oh by the way
you may have noticed that english isn't my native language so at least
as a sign of good will you could have taken this into consideration
while replying to me.

Ok and now you gonna get on my Filter. You are annoying and wasting my
time only. Maybe someone else less agressive gonna give me a better
answer.

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On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 12:10:24PM +0200, Ali Akcaagac wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-04-29 at 11:32, Daniel Veillard wrote:
> moves out of the way that you like to see. Please feel free to start
> judging my behaviour. I only defend my position about all you stupid
> evil people. The entire GNOME community is full of fucking retarded
> pricks like you. Even your reply to Vadim Plesky on the List some weeks
> ago was everything else than a correct humanworthy reply. And knowing

  When I meet a Troll, I use the appropriate communication principles,
i.e. the clue bat !

> from the past it seem to be the only way you reply to people. In a rude
> evil and jackass way.

  Which proves you never used my library or participated on the mailing
list associated.

> Sorry for having wasted your time and please do not ever reply to me
> anymore you are simply a dumb person.

> Yes I did read the FAQ, I was on xmlsoft.org the page where I did read
> the FAQ. But the point you have missed was that I didn't wanted to
> attack LibXML2 or report a bug or something. I simply wanted intendation
> in my xml files and wasn't sure if it was LibXML2 related or if it was
> some stuff within GConf that needs to be taken care of. Oh by the way
> you may have noticed that english isn't my native language so at least
> as a sign of good will you could have taken this into consideration
> while replying to me.

  Well if you don't get this email, too bad, but basically if you put such
an environment variable, you will simply screw up a large amount of processing
on your machine. Libxml2 is being used for far more than saving config files.

> Ok and now you gonna get on my Filter. You are annoying and wasting my
> time only. Maybe someone else less agressive gonna give me a better
> answer.

  You won't my answer is the right technical answers, it was in the FAQ
it was in my answer on the list, it was on my private answer.

Daniel

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