Re: date in friulian

[Fabio Tomat <f t public gmail com>]

actually no, we can't use cardinal number for the first day of the month (i wrote ordinal but was cardinal instead sorry "cardinal_number de mes de año") like it is used in spanish (I read now that in spanish you can use both "one" or "the first day of" so I answered my question :) ) and we use the "at the"(singular/plural) form before that number. So I'm the first one to face this problem. I try to file a bug as suggested by Rafael Fontenelle

2016-06-29 17:02 GMT+02:00 Daniel Mustieles García <daniel mustieles gmail com>:

Ah, ok ok ;-)

In that case, friulian team could do something similar to avoid the problem?

2016-06-29 16:57 GMT+02:00 Fabio Tomat <f t public gmail com>:

the fact is that no spanish translated module used that form, just "ordinal_number de mes de año", I asked if you faced the problem or

 not. That's all. :)

for example in gnome-shell spanish this string:

msgid "%B %d %Y, %H∶%M"
is translated as:
msgstr "%d de %B de %Y, %H∶%M"

2016-06-29 16:43 GMT+02:00 Daniel Mustieles García <daniel mustieles gmail com>:

Sure, that would be better than the other one.

But I'd like to know which module shows strings like those, to see how we translated them. Maybe that could give us a clue about how to do it in friulian

2016-06-29 16:39 GMT+02:00 Fabio Tomat <f t public gmail com>:

Maybe " el primer día de " ?
Just searched on the net...

Il mer giu 29 08:49:39 2016 GMT+0200, Daniel Mustieles García scrive:
> Where have you seen those strings?
>
> The second one doesn't seem to be right... I should check it with the
> original string, but that's not completely correct in spanish.
>
> Thanks!
>
> 2016-06-29 7:58 GMT+02:00 Fabio Tomat <f t public gmail com>:
>
> > I searched around infos, and I found that SPANISH is similar to friulian
> > in this problem:
> >
> >
> > *el 29 de febrero de 1996*
> >
> >
> > *el primero de febrero de 1996*

> > they use articles (but always in singular form) before the date, but it
> > seems that in po file they use no articles before the day (they still use
> > the "of" before moth and year);
> > anyway they do not use the different number (ordinal for 1st) and cardinal
> > for the other days in the po file.
> > Does someone who translate from spanish has already tried to resolve this
> > problem with the date?
> >
> >
> > 2016-06-27 16:36 GMT+02:00 Ask Hjorth Larsen <asklarsen gmail com>:
> >
> >> Hi Fabio (re-added i18n, please reply to lits)
> >>
> >> Still, it's an irregularity where the text surrounding a number
> >> depends on the number.  This exists in gettext only as the standard
> >> plural form feature.  Fixing it would require multiple such
> >> mechanisms: One for singular/plural, one for dates, one for ordinals,
> >> ...
> >>
> >> It is not straightforward and would have to be added to gettext, and
> >> would propagate to GNOME and other projects in a matter of years - as
> >> far as I can tell.
> >>
> >> Best regards
> >> Ask
> >>
> >> 2016-06-27 14:04 GMT+02:00 Fabio Tomat <f t public gmail com>:
> >> > In friulian only the date needs this. Ordinals and cardinals numbers
> >> are just like other languages.
> >> > So there are 1,2,3,4... And 1st,2nd,3rd...
> >> > But when we talk about dates the first day of the month is "at the
> >> first of june..." then we have  "at the 2 of..."
> >> >
> >> > Il lun giu 27 11:29:00 2016 GMT+0200, Ask Hjorth Larsen scrive:
> >> >> But this is more complicated because there is only one plural
> >> mechanism,
> >> >> and even English needs a separate mechanism to write things like 1st,
> >> 2nd,
> >> >> 3rd and 4th.
> >> >>
> >> >> El 27/06/2016 07:14, "Rafael Fontenelle" <rffontenelle gmail com>
> >> escribió:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 2016-06-26 2:50 GMT-03:00 Fabio Tomat <f t public gmail com>:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Greetings community,
> >> >> >> with gnome 3.20 I modified the dates in gnome as best as I could,
> >> but the
> >> >> >> right form of the date is this:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> al 1ⁿ di jugn dal 2016      literally translated:  at the(singular)
> >> 1ˢᵗ
> >> >> >> of June of the 2016
> >> >> >> ai 25 di jugn dal 2016     literally translated:  at the(plural) 25
> >> of
> >> >> >> June of the 2016
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I don't know how to implement this.
> >> >> >> the big problem (in the translated software) is specify if it's the
> >> first
> >> >> >> day of the month or one of the remaining days.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Can someone help me resolve this problem, what should I do?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> >> gnome-i18n mailing list
> >> >> >> gnome-i18n gnome org
> >> >> >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> > Hi there.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I don't think 'date' support formatting date output with a
> >> superscript
> >> >> > character (or something like that) to denote first day of month. At
> >> least
> >> >> > I've got no success with 'date --date 2016-06-01 +%e' or 'date --date
> >> >> > 2016-06-01 +%d'
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I believe your question is typically related to Gettext's
> >> Plural-Forms, as
> >> >> > you have one form in singular and another in plural.  My suggestion
> >> is to
> >> >> > file a bug report to the proper module (gnome-shell?) to support
> >> such date
> >> >> > format.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Rafael Fontenelle
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> >> > gnome-i18n mailing list
> >> >> > gnome-i18n gnome org
> >> >> > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Inviato dal mio Jolla
> >>
> >
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