Re: GTK+, WM, desktops and CSD

[Allin Cottrell <cottrell wfu edu>]

On Fri, 6 Mar 2015, Florian Müllner wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:44 AM Allin Cottrell <cottrell wfu edu> wrote:
>
> > Isn't there some dissonance here: "essential UI" embedded in
> > "decorations"? How did we come to this? [...] why not fix the WM
> > [...] rather than conflating UI with decoration?
>
> Because it is not about working around any WM's (or more 
> precisely: theme's) whitespace issues, but about a philosophical 
> difference: Are windows containers that the system provides and 
> applications fill with content, or are they space that is entirely 
> under application control?

OK, I can see that that's a legitimate difference (I'd say a 
"design" rather than a "philosophical" one, but hey). Fact is that 
the first alternative has been the status quo for a long time and 
IMO the second approach -- which is obviously quite disruptive, 
whatever its merits -- calls for more argument pro than I've seen so 
far. More than "It's the trend, so shut up and live with it, unless 
you want to fork gtk".

> You know what? It's a matter of taste - it's perfectly fine that 
> you pick a different answer than me. But telling us how bloated 
> and awful ...

I'm not saying that CSD as such is bloated and awful. I did say that 
metacity had a bloated title-bar by default and I stand by that. If 
CSD is not motivated by metacity's problems then I stand corrected 
on that point.

Allin Cottrell